Bows & Arrows

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Bows & Arrows

Bows are tricky to make, from my sketchy memories of 50s survival guides I read as a child, but there's a certain amount of simplicity to be spoken for; a shortbow is easy enough to make, even if weak, and extremely accessible.Shortbow: Branch+ 2 String (maybe Glue.)A longbow would be considerably more difficult, but also more deadly. You'd need to make it in a camp-use an Axe or Cleaver to cut down a sapling (or use four Branches), cut it down to size with a Multitool, steam it into the proper shape with string and several bottles of water (clean or otherwise) before varnishing it with Glue and combining six to eight String to make a bowstring.Arrows are easier, though still difficult. You need one String, one Feather, one Stick and one Bits and Pieces each-or one Glue instead of Strings for stronger arrows. Arrows can be made in batches from Branches, which result in stronger arrows, but can only be done in camp. There could also be crossbows and compound bows as random loot-much more effective than handmade bows, but naturally harder to find. Likewise, synthetic arrows, which are more durable and more damaging, esp. with special heads.Balance versus guns is this: guns are more powerful and will likely have longer range in future, but can only fire their rounds once (unless you have a reloading press and reloading gear, but that's a topic for another thread). Bows, on the other hand, can fire their arrows multiple times so long as you're lucky, and a replacement arrow is always a forest tile away.Bowstrings can break, which might be kept in mind.TL;DR: Bow and arrow recipes. This assumes Ranged+Trapping for skills.Shortbow: Branch: + Stringx2.Longbow: Branchx4 (or Sapling), Stringx8, Water x2, Campfire, Saucepan, Multitool. (and maybe Glue)Strong Arrows: Stick (from splitting Branches), Glue, Feathers, Bits and Pieces. Alternately, just Bits and Pieces instead of Feathers.Fast Arrows: Stick, String, Feathers, Bits and Pieces.Five (either) Arrows: Branch, 2x String, 2x Feathers, 2x Bits and Pieces.

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Would like to see bows/crossbows and arrows. Perhaps squirrel snares could also be used to snare birds in forest tiles in order to get feathers.Maybe a shovel/spade as a scavenging option on wooded area/open field could yield worms or grubs to bait a snare (and fishing, if implemented).Broken glass or flint for arrow heads maybe?

Bows and crossbows definitely make sense. They'd make a readily available weapon for short-range engagements, and are quiet to boot. Their ammo is reusable, and are easy enough to make. However, home-made variants probably suffer durability issues, as you point out.I have a system in mind for transferring ammo to the target when such a weapon is fired (e.g. arrow, thrown weapon, etc.), though I haven't written it yet. It's part of the "more weapons" feature on the voting page. It might also make more sense once combat gets some love. At present, a pistol would likely have a range of 1 hex (2 with ranged skill) to be in-line with rifle stats, which means it loses the real-world benefit of attacking from beyond melee range. If combat gets more design work, maybe I can make it such that short range missile attacks are more advantageous.And glass-tipped arrows are definitely a cool idea. I bet there could be several arrow types in the game, each made from different things. Some might even have different uses.Intriguing ideas, for sure!

Dan Fedor - Founder, Blue Bottle Games

I would throw in the old sling shot to this. I would be next to useless in a fight  with a looter or dogman but a cheap way to get more squirrels then the snare. There are two types you could have the factory made one with it's rubber bands as a item you can find and the older sing shot that you spin over you head, made out of 6 bits of string and a cut down squirrel skin. You could use one screws and bits as ammo for both of these or add small rocks that you can find. The glue you talk about could have two types. The found type that is light and strong but hard to find. Tree sap that you can find in forests but is weak. This could also be a good time to add poison to the game so you can have poison tipped arrows.   

Actually a factory-ready combat slingshot is quite a weapon. Just imagine what damage can a bullet, fired with a draw weight around 45 pounds force (thats around 180 newtons!) to target. Also, slingshots can be used to fire arrows as well.

Glue is actually made from bones and other sources of keratin like hooves-hence the bull on Elmer's Glue. Butchering dogmen or squirrels (or deer, if they're added) would provide bones for a middle-quality glue (among many other things; bones are INCREDIBLY useful.) Tree sap makes a terrible glue, but has its own properties...few of which I can remember offhand.The spun variety of slingshot is just a sling.Worth remembering is that ball bearings are a common ammunition for hunting slingshots.

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Tree sap has been used as a periodontic bacterial treatment, meaning it's used to treat infections in your mouth. Some tree sap can help treat inflamatiom and pain (especially from bug bites), as well as diarrhea. Sweetgum (type of sap) mixed with tabacco has been used as a sleep aid by Native Americans.

this thread makes me want to organize some forum members to combine votes and give combat a boost

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